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Friday, February 4, 2011

Private funding for public schools

Let's be serious here. This bill attempts to skirt the church-state wall by creating privately funded scholarships, but -- and this is key -- the state is offering tax credits to encourage it.
The program, which for the first time would provide widespread taxpayer funding for religious and private education, would not be directly funded by the state. Instead, businesses would contribute to the scholarship fund in exchange for tax credits. By its fifth year, the program could cost the state up to $800 million in lost tax revenue.
This seems a state endorsement of the plan and just another example of how the state is moving to dismantle public education. Rather than addressing the real issues -- funding disparity and a segregated state -- we are privatizing the funding of more and more of our educational system.

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5 comments:

Libertarian at 08824 said...

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real issues -- funding disparity and a segregated state --
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How about the real issues:

(1) The Gooferment shouldn't be indoctrinating future voters in worshiping at the alter of "big gooferment".

(2) People forced to have their children taught things they find morally offensive in the name of "political correctness".

(3) One group of folks forced to pay for the education of other people's children -- they had no vote in the decision to have children but are forced to pay for that decision.

(4) Parents are forced by geography to place and keep their children in failing schools.

(5) The infrastructure of "Gooferment Skrules" is corrupt -- the Teacher's Unions, Politicians and Bureaucrats are in an incestous relationship which screws the parents and taxpayers.

Those are the "real" issues!

Anonymous said...

Corporate America, rightwing/libertarian billionaires, hedge fund managers and some left wing millionaires (Oprah, Davis Guggenheim) are all on board for school "privatization" but with tax payer money. Once you have all this huge corporate money backing school "choice" all the politicians, D or R, fall in line. If the billionaires and millionaires were not behind this push for school "choice," then charter schools and school vouchers would be dead in the water. Right wingers and libertarians hate public schools because they are selfish and just don't want to pay taxes. They got their public education and so their attitude is tough luck to the children who are being educated in public schools. I received a public education and I consider it to be an investment in the future. I got my public education and I want current and future kids to receive a public education. We pool our tax dollars for the common good, such as police protection, roads, fire protection, the infrastructure, the judicial system, etc. Even if the fire department is voluntary, tax payers fund the fire houses, the training for the volunteers, all the equipment, fire engines, the insurances and upkeep for the latter, fire hydrants and the pipes they are connected to. NJ public schools are top rated, they are in the top tier of public schools and rate number 1 in some areas such as graduation rates. The NJ cities that have large segments of the population living in poverty, large numbers of unemployed do have some schools with serious challenges. If we had universal health care and state supported after school care, then many of these problems would be alleviated. 20% of US kids live in poverty and this does affect their educational outcomes. The other advanced countries against which we are compared (like Germany or Finland) have universal health care, virtually free university education, strong support for maternity leave and other social safety nets. Oh wait, their teachers are unionized, too.
School choice is not a free ride, it sucks up tax dollars for very questionable and inconsistent educational results. Tax payers do not get to vote on charter schools, their funding and the school boards for the charter schools. South Brunswick, Princeton and West Windsor schools are successful and performing very well by whatever measures that are available and yet teachers will be fired, programs will be cut while a Chinese immersion charter school has been approved. This is nuts; because of Christie's drastic cuts the regular public schools will have to cut back on foreign language programs while a Chinese immersion charter school is approved with no input from tax payers.

reinkefj said...

>Corporate America, ... are all on board for school "privatization"

In America, I doubt you could get that lot "on board" for anything. And, btw, the Facebook guy gave his money to what? Wasn't it a "public school system"?

>charter schools and school vouchers would be dead in the water

The really ARE "dead in the water". The Teacher's Union will ensure that they are crippled out of the box with restrictions and conditions.

>libertarians hate public schools because they are selfish

No, this little L libertarian hated Gooferment Skrules because they are funded by force.

>just don't want to pay taxes.

You're right. I want to buy services in the marketplace where I can pick and choose. Yes to Burger King; no to Wendy's. I don't want to be forced to fund McD's and then told "but you're free to go elsewhere." If you steal my wealth, (what little of it I have), then I am NOT free.

>They got their public education

Nope; I got none of that there "pub lick eddykation".

>attitude is tough luck to the children who are
>being educated in public schools.

Were that they WERE being "educated" in those Gooferment Skrules! They are being propagandized! And, poorly at that. If you look at the stats.

>I received a public education

Well, good for you. Nice to hear that the money poured down the rathole wasn't totally wasted. And, I'm sure you will tell us how wonderful that Gooferment education was. No propaganda or brain washing there. You're just defending anything the Gooferment does because that's the right way to do it.

reinkefj said...

>Corporate America, ... are all on board for school "privatization"

In America, I doubt you could get that lot "on board" for anything. And, btw, the Facebook guy gave his money to what? Wasn't it a "public school system"?

>charter schools and school vouchers would be dead in the water

The really ARE "dead in the water". The Teacher's Union will ensure that they are crippled out of the box with restrictions and conditions.

>libertarians hate public schools because they are selfish

No, this little L libertarian hated Gooferment Skrules because they are funded by force.

>just don't want to pay taxes.

You're right. I want to buy services in the marketplace where I can pick and choose. Yes to Burger King; no to Wendy's. I don't want to be forced to fund McD's and then told "but you're free to go elsewhere." If you steal my wealth, (what little of it I have), then I am NOT free.

>They got their public education

Nope; I got none of that there "pub lick eddykation".

>attitude is tough luck to the children who are
>being educated in public schools.

Were that they WERE being "educated" in those Gooferment Skrules! They are being propagandized! And, poorly at that. If you look at the stats.

>I received a public education

Well, good for you. Nice to hear that the money poured down the rathole wasn't totally wasted. And, I'm sure you will tell us how wonderful that Gooferment education was. No propaganda or brain washing there. You're just defending anything the Gooferment does because that's the right way to do it.

>I consider it to be an investment in the future.

I love when folks muddle the language. "Investment" is when someone puts capital at risk in hope of a return. My capital was seized by the State and I have no hope of a return. It ain't "investment" to spend stolen wealth on the euphemism of "public schools". It's about "milking the system" for the benefit of politicians, bureaucrats, and their "friends".

> I got my public education and I want current
> and future kids to receive a public education.

And, I want to be thin, young, hndsome, and live in peace with my neighbors. It ain't going to happen! For as long as you and your gang of costumed thugs continue to rob me like a mafia.

>We pool our tax dollars for the common good

No, WE DON'T "pool". We are ROBBED to fund the things that the elite think are important.

Why do I have to be robbed to to fund any of those things. If I want that "service", I should be allowed to "buy" it.

Just because, you yell about the Gooferment paying for stuff, doesn't make it the only way or the right way to do it.

Because ALL Gooferment actions are rooted in FORCE -- forcing people to pay for this stuff, those actions are IMMORAL and doomed to failure.

Those things that are NOT outright failures -- and it's hard to think of one thing that is not, are too costly when compared with "private" alternatives. (That's because a "greedy" businessman is incentivized to satisfy the buyer at the lowest possible cost.)

> NJ public schools are top rated

That's like saying I have the "prettiest pig in the pen".

>graduation rates

Are manipulated by politicians and bureaucrats. For example, dropouts are not counted.

>population living in poverty

We disagree about the definition of "poverty", but I blame the Gooferment for what you cite.

reinkefj said...

>some schools with serious challenges

Like graduating children scarred for life by not being able to read!

>If we had universal health care and state supported
>after school care

We'd all be broke and the problems would still exist!

>Germany or Finland have

So why are you here, trying to turn us into them.

>School choice is not a free ride

I don't like anything that uses tax dollars. Parents had the children; they should educate them. It's NOT my responsibility!

>Chinese immersion charter school is approved with no input from tax payers.

All Gooferment Skrules are nuts!